FreeAgent and PAYE Real-Time Information!

Posted on 06 November 2012 by Comments (15)

Ah 1944: I remember it well…

There were a couple of things going on in Europe that year, but most people remember it as the year Jerry Springer was born and Pippi Longstocking made her first appearance in print.

Here at FreeAgent that year is primarily famous as being the year Pay-as-you-Earn (PAYE) was introduced. Designed to boost the country’s depleted wartime coffers, it ushered in a new era of Tax Codes and P14s and P35s and P45s etc etc which has been with us ever since.

It’s always been a bit unwieldy but until recently improvements were thought to be too hard to implement.

Now technology has finally caught up and next year sees probably the biggest change to PAYE since its introduction: Real-Time Information. From April 2013 onwards employers will be legally required to submit the details of each salary payment to HMRC at the same time as it’s made.

It’s a positive step, removing the need for end-of-year forms and making the system more accurate. It’s also necessary for the Government’s simplified Universal Credit scheme planned for next year.

But change is always tricky, isn’t it? Our plan is to make this one fairly straightforward.

Soon after FreeAgent launched in 2007, we introduced a Basic UK Payroll suitable for very simple freelance and contractor businesses. It doesn’t handle calculations of deductions other than tax, and there’s no facility to produce or file end-of-year forms, but it was enough to generate payslips for those businesses and our users have really welcomed having it as an integral part of FreeAgent. We directed businesses with more complicated payroll requirements to other software.

We’ve done a lot of thinking about payroll recently, especially in the light of RTI’s introduction. And we still believe it’s important to have a simple way of dealing with payroll if you’re a tiny company.

Firstly, we’ll be allowing users of the HMRC’s free Basic PAYE Tools (which will also support RTI) to upload payslip data into FreeAgent. Despite the ‘Basic’ in the name, it’s a pretty comprehensive offering for employers with up to 10 employees, which means there’ll be a free way to handle payroll that’ll also work well with FreeAgent.

We’ll also be opening up our Payslips API well before the April deadline, so that other payroll software providers can push payslip data automatically and directly into FreeAgent. They’ll handle the RTI submissions at their end, and we’re already talking to a number of companies who are really keen to work with us.

And importantly, we’ll be working towards extending our existing payroll system to support RTI, at the same time switching to a new calculation engine which will be approved under the HMRC’s PAYE Recognition Scheme. We’ll do our level best to have that ready in time for the April 2013 deadline.

Early next year we’ll be able to tell you more about the which providers will support our Payslips API, as well as give you an update on our own FreeAgent Payroll RTI efforts.

Over to you...

Marc Palmer, Tue November 06, 2012
This is excellent news. I'm glad that you guys have accepted the importance of a native integrated RTI solution for your existing payroll users. A simple "Sorry we misjudged the relative importance of our built in payroll system, and we will now be supporting RTI so that our customers can continue to enjoy this built in feature, as well as integrating with third party RTI solutions if they wish" would perhaps be clearer.
Chris Maslin, Tue November 06, 2012
Good stuff.

I understand perhaps better than some end users that fully compliant payroll isn't a small task (with the myriad of possible complications).

API link would be good, but of course a fully inbuilt payroll solution would be better, especially for those with just one employee paid at the NIC threshold (which I imagine makes up a large proportion of FreeAgent users).

5 months to go...better decline any developer holiday requests in the meantime ;-)
Cheaper Accountant, Wed November 07, 2012
You're making a good start with the changes to PAYE and all users will appreciate the efforts you're putting in here. It is important that all customers can achieve the full benefit of RTI and the reduced admin burden through the removal of the Employer Annual Return.
Richard Wilson, Thu November 08, 2012
Payroll is the main reason I have been looking at other online accounting software (I love freeagent but having to run payroll separately is a pain). Integrating with the free PAYE tools is a good start but I would much rather you guys put a 'plain english' spin on it and integrated returns like your VAT system. I appreciate that the integration/approval process must be remarkably awful but if you can get an integrated RTI payroll system in place for April 2013 you will have one of the best systems around for small businesses. Or integrate tightly with something like thepayrollsite.co.uk like Xero (offer to redesign their site in exchange...)?

For the post, maybe include a link to the free PAYE basic tools for the uninitiated? (They are well hidden and not well publicised).

Good luck with it!
David Lloyd-Williams, Sun November 11, 2012
RTI is really important. Having an integrated payroll system that's easy to use in plain English is so key to the decision to use Free Agent - that, and the simple timesheet process work well together for freelancers.
Having an API ready doesn't really do it for most users - we just want to have a system that works rather than the ability to write our own software that can link in.
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Chris Houston, Wed November 21, 2012
I agree with David Lloyd-Williams, as a current user of Freeagent, the main reason I use Freeagent is the simplicity of the system and the integration of the VAT submissions, I really would not want to have to use another company's PAYE system when I already have all the data / timesheets etc in Freeagent.

Having to use the HMRC tool in conjunction with Freeagent just sounds clunky and time consuming to me, come on Ed, I am sure you can get a nice integrated solution implemented by April :)
Beth Upton, Wed November 28, 2012
Thank you for doing more to integrate payroll. At the moment what you have just about does me from one month to the next but as someone who has used PAYE Basic Tools, I need something that is more plain english - just like the rest of FreeAgent.
A one-stop-shop is just what I am after and will move more people over too, I am sure.
Thank you for working on this and I look forward to seeing the results!
Caroline Exley, Fri November 30, 2012
Dear Ed,
We met at the Iris World Expo in Manchester and I mentioned how much I loved Freeagent - well, RTI directly linked feeds to HMRC would really cap it all off, it doesn't appear that anyone else(Xero , Kashflow) is offering this. Please don't resort to linking with partners as it just adds an unnecessary link that will be time consuming.... please stay one step ahead of the game and do it yourself - my customers expect it!
Jon Smith, Fri December 14, 2012
I really hope you guys get the RTI payroll within freeagent up and running, and capable of handling the odd pension contribution, SMP and childcare vouchers before the April deadline. It's essential this is part of an integrated solution. There seems to be a good growing user base for this product at the moment which hopefully means is will stay in business and I won't have to change. But if people have to use other tools for payroll I fear your users will be walking.
Mark R, Fri December 21, 2012
It would be good to have an update please on what you are planning? Many thanks. I love FreeAgent and would echo comments above about preferably having RTI integrated and not having to use a 2nd package.
David Lloyd-Williams, Sat December 29, 2012
It's now getting close, and you promised an update in the New Year. We have to make arrangements, and this is no small task if we are busy running our own businesses too.
Can we have an update on RTI please ? Will it be delivered in time ?
Ewan MacGregor, Fri February 15, 2013
RTI - Any word of when you will be issuing an update guys and gals at Freeagent?
Ewan MacGregor, Fri February 15, 2013
Doh! ignore that post, just found the January Blog post

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